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You are a Hopeless Catholic if:

 

1) You think The Difference Between Justification and Sanctification is only one of spelling.

2) You Think being Saved by Grace, through Faith is a Protestant Invention, and should be condemned.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/howrome.htm

3) You Think the omniscient Christ just forgot to tell us the past and present role of Mary. (Matthew 12:46ff)

 

4) You Think You and Muslims believe in the same god, and may be right, yet cannot explain why such atrocities still happened between the two groups in the past. (Catholic Catechism)

 

5) Think it is wrong for the cults to make other religious works equal to the Bible, but your religion is the exception to the rule.

 

6) You Think that Jesus' younger brothers must have been cousins cause for them to be brothers would conflict with you preconceived notions.

 

7) You don't think forced celibacy has contributed at all to the sexual perversions of Catholic priests over the years. (1 Timothy 4:1-6)

 

8) You think nothing is wrong with illegal immigration, and ninety percent of Mexicans and their eight natural born citizens per family being Catholic has nothing to do with it.

 

9) Don't find it odd that the Maronic visions of Fatima and Lourdes are offering messages that are contrary to scripture. (Galatians 1:8,9)

 

10) Have made the little rock-Peter and the present Papa your main guys, but forgot to include the apostle who was used by God to dictate and write most of the New Testament and bring the 'whole counsel of God'. (Acts 20:27ff)

 

11) Don't think it odd that most Catholic imagery of their version of Christ have him as a weak baby, limp in Mary's arms or still affixed to the cross.

 

http://www.pro-gospel.org/01/ea-016.php

 

12) You Think that Jesus never calling Mary mother was just because pointing out her gender was more important....'Woman' (John 19:26)

 

13) Your favorite comeback response to arguments against Catholic doctrines such as 'Transubstantiation' is, 'Well, it is and it isn't.'

 

14) Don't Think it peculiar that the Mafia and the Catholic Church thrive in the same place.

 

'Fadder forgive me I just whacked somebody....'

 

 

15) You a PEterist agree with the PReterist that the whore and Beast in Revelation must be figurative or past tense.

 

16) You think it is all right to condemn any other mediators than Christ, but it is perfectly acceptable to be another 'mediatrix', its just a matter of gender.

 

17) You Believe assenting to the Council of Nicea regarding the nature of Christ is good just as long as that little detail doesn't get in the way of your view of Mary and salvation.

 

18) Your idea of unity with Bible believing Christians is really them agreeing with you.

 

19) You Think Every King needs a Queen even if that Queen is young enough to be his creation. (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:15-17)

 

20) Your view of the afterlife for both Catholic and Non Catholic are very similar except one is for an indefinite period of time, though you do not know how long that time is.

 

'I'm not worried about this burning all over, someones praying me out of here.'

 

21) Don't find it revealing that the founding prophet of a major false religion, founded his religion on thinking that the 'people of the book' believed one of the persons of the Triunity of God to be Mary.

 

 

22) Cannot say for sure whether you are saved (eternally insecure) but still think you can speak as an authority on what scripture really means. (John 17:3)

 

Also:

 

http://cuf5.tripod.com/id110.html

 

I will expound more on these points later.

 

Bj Maxwell

12/26/2006

Copyright ©

 

You are a Hopeless Catholic if:

 

1) You think The Difference Between Justification and Sanctification is only one of spelling.

Seeing that my messages in the groups go largely ignored, unless I join and post in heretical groups, I will also post these messages on my website, which gets a lot of traffic.

 

In my conversations with Cathoholics and reading the Catholic Catechism and the Council of Trent, I have come to the conclusion that many Christians simply don't care or understand how dangerous Catholicism is.

What is really peculiar about this religion is that such folks as Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, John Kasich and Nancy Pelosi (Democrat) and all kinds of criminals who often are very different from each other politically, morally and scripturally all believe themselves to be Catholic, as if they can pick and choose what teachings they are going to accept discarding the rest then asking their priest for forgiveness.

 

Bill O'Reilly believes he can make figurative any scripture that doesn't fit his preconceived notions and up to now hasn't taken a hard stand against Homosexuality, though the Catholic church at least in theory does.

 

He has a lot of great insight politically speaking but when he talks about spiritual matters he shows how willingly ignorant he is.

 

This hypocrisy is even true of Christianity to a degree, but the Catholic church seems to make no real and public attempt to dispel this attitude, possibly because it would mean less cash in their coffers.

 

However, the Catholic Church's writings makes it clear that its followers are required to do works in order to be saved and stay saved.

 

The serious Catholics that I have spoken to can never tell me whether they are saved or not, only that they hope they are or are working toward it.

 

This still doesn't stop them from thinking they are authorities on truth.

 

If one cannot tell me whether they are saved or not then they have no authority, because only saved persons have authority. (John 1:12)

 

What is so dangerous about Catholicism is that before it became so corrupt, their creeds for the most part were biblical.

 

The only questionable one i know of spoke of 'baptism for the remission of sins.'

 

A counterfeit dollar bill looks very much like the real thing but there are significant differences.

 

Though the Catholic Creeds recognize that Christ is God in the flesh, they water down his role and make him only a helpless baby or a limp saviour in Mary's arms or permanently affixed to the cross.

 

More on that later.

 

What Catholics believe about salvation is a reflection of how they have watered down who Christ is.

 

Their impotent Christ cannot completely save them from their sins, so Mary and her followers need to take up the slack for him.

 

Isn't Christ so fortunate to have such a great Catholic mother and followers.

 

"So why does the Roman Catholic Church hide the real Jesus from its followers? Because the real Jesus sets people free! In contrast, the Roman Catholic Church maintains control of its people through legalistic rituals, sacraments and threats of anathema's. The biblical Jesus saves believers from the bondage of sin, deception and religion."

 

http://www.pro-gospel.org/01/ea-016.php

 

What good is it to make mental assent to the Incarnation, if you water it down in practice and in your soteriology (view of salvation)?

 

Concerning Salvation/Justification and Sanctification, Catholics make no real distinction between the two, except to recognize that they are spelled differently.

 

This is what the Catholic Council of Trent says:

 

"SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: "If
anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA" (Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 12)."

 

SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: "If
anyone says that the justice received is not preserved
and also not increased before God through good works,
but that
those works are merely the fruits and signs
of justification obtained, but not the cause of its
increase, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA" (Canons Concerning
Justification, Canon 24).

 

Here they say that anyone who says 'works' are the result of salvation not the cause and maintainer of salvation will go to hell.

 

'Go to Hell, go directly to hell, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 dollars.'

 

Oh Really, we better tell the apostle Paul that he got it wrong.

 

"Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case--things that accompany salvation." (Hebrews 6:9)

 

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do." (Ephesians 2:8-10)

 

Notice that salvation is 'by grace through faith' and 'not by works' which includes baptism and the sacraments and 'good works' are after (accompany) and the result of salvation not the cause of it.

 

If one shows no Christian fruit in their life, then they didn't lose their salvation they never had it in the first place.


Catholic Council of Trent:


SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: "If
anyone says that the Catholic doctrine of
justification as set forth by the holy council in the
present decree,
derogates in some respect from the
glory of God or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and does not rather illustrate the truth of our faith
and no less the glory of God and of Christ Jesus, LET
HIM BE ANATHEMA" (Canons Concerning Justification,
Canon 33).


In these Catholic Canons anathema/eternal destruction is pronounced against Christians that believe the bible.

 

Catholics use the term 'anathema' which in the New Testament means 'doomed to eternal destruction.'

 

In fact the apostle Paul (the guy Catholics ignore) used that term before them.

 

Catholics Rob Paul to pay Peter.

 

Paul to them is extra cookie dough that their cookie cutter theology left out of the mix.

 

Paul said: "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" (anathema) (Galatians 1:8,9)

He repeats himself here and pronounces an anathema on anyone (including angels), who would preach any other gospel than the one 'we' preached.

He is 'astonished' that so many people are falling for or excusing the 'other gospel.'

 

Also read 2 Corinthians 11

 

So Catholicism and anyone who falls for it has God's anathema/eternal curse pronounced on them.

 

And the apostle Pauls words hold more weight than any Modern day Jewish Wannabes does.

 

It is the Catholic church that has drawn a line in the sand between them and the apostle Paul.

 

I say this because the problem is that the Catholic Church has lead the way in 'Replacement Theology', which i define at:

 

http://cuf5.tripod.com/id169.html

 

Take a look at points # 8,11,16,17

 

This webpage is a work in progress, so please check back often.

 

The Catholic church has based the complete foundation of their church on the Jewish model in Matthew 16:15, which was a Jewish church.

 

They also confuse what James said 'to the twelve tribes scattered abroad' concerning sanctification/bearing fruit after salvation with Justification/Salvation which Paul spoke of.

 

Compare James 1:1; 2 with Romans 4

 

Understanding salvation and sanctification also comes through understanding the three persons of God and the three parts of man.

 

We are saved from the Fathers perspective from all eternity, (Romans 8:29,30), when Christ died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1-5), when the Holy spirit draws (drags us), in our spirits when we believe (Salvation-John 3:16), in our souls when we obey (James 1:21...Sanctification), and in our bodies at the future rapture/resurrection. (1 Thess. 4:16,17; 1 Cor. 15:51,52)

 

If you didn't get the three persons of God (Triunity) and the Trichotomy of man in the salvation process, please read the paragraph above again.

 

Salvation of the soul (sanctification) is making true of our whole being what is already true of us in the heavenlies.

 

Catholics make partial messages of scriptures the whole ball of wax.

 

Faith is what gets us through the whole process.

 

 

When the apostle Paul came to preach the 'whole counsel of God' which completes (not cancels) what was said earlier, they ignored him to their own peril.

 

"Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men. 27 For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard!" (Acts 20)

 

Yes, there is a difference between Justication/Salvation and Sanctification/growing and bearing fruit in Christ and the latter comes later and is a result of the former.

 

'We are saved FOR good works, NOT because of good works.'

This is where having a dispensational understanding of scripture is the only complete and adequate defense against the Cults and Catholicism.

But that doesn't stop the Catholic church from joining forces with Muslims who reject the gospel altogether.

 

So Catholicism rejects Biblical Christianity but goes to bed with Islam, which in the Quran rejected their view of Mary and the biblical view of Jesus and the physical death and resurrection of Christ.

 

"841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day." Catholic Catechism.

 

Talk about straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

 

Bj Maxwell

01/05/2007

Copyright ©

 

 
"Our separated brethren hold much Christian truth, but we might compare their religion to a stained glass window in which some of their original panes were lost and have been replaced by opaque glass; Something that was present at the beginning is now gone, and something that does not really fit has been inserted to fill up the empty space. The unity of the original windows has been marred." (Pillar of Fire Pillar of Truth-The Catholic Church and God's Plan For You, pg. 29)
 
What arrogance and without any support except the traditions of men.
Who really can claim to have all their window panes in order?
 
Who really can claim to have the whole counsel of God and not just part of it?
 
The apostle Paul could. (Acts 20:27)
 
What happens when someone has part of the truth but claim completeness?
 
It is similar to the old story of a few blind men feeling different parts of an elephant, but claiming that their personal and limited experiences tell the whole story.
 
An elephant is a long snakelike animal one says, No, an elephant is a big flappy leaflike animal.
 
Problem is, one is feeling the elephants trunk while the other is feeling his ears.
 
Neither one is feeling the whole animal, only parts.
 
So then in comparison would it be fair to listen to what Christ and the twelve said in parts of scripture but ignore what the apostle Paul said?
This is exactly what the Catholics have done with scripture.
 
The Catholic Church bases its conclusions on an incomplete and Jewish Model of the church (Matthew 16:15), Patterns its truth finding methods after a pre canonical Jewish Council (Galatians 2; Acts 15; ), Formulates its soteriology (How To Be Saved) through some of what Jesus and the twelve said to the Jews while ignoring the one through whom most of the New Testament was written. Then They Give their final answer and anathema against those that have Read the Rrrrrrrrrrest of the Story.
 
Worst of all they have created a 'Yeah But' Theology that recognizes what the scripture and early Catholic creeds say about Jesus but reply with 'Yeah But' Jesus somehow forgot to tell us about his partnership with Mary and gave us authority to create myriads of religious layers that demote him to impotent saviour that needs Mary's and our assistance to help us trudge our way through these layers, without any real confidence of ever succeeding.
 
Catholic literature uses double talk to agree with scripture but then turns around and subtely contradicts it.
 
Listen to this:
 
"By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam's sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequense of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #1263)
 
Then they put one qualifier after another on this in the Catechism and Council of Trent.
 
In other words, All obstacles have been removed so that you can win the race, but you must deal with the hurdles we have created before you get the trophy.
 
The race they have created seems to be the 100 yard hurdle but these kind of races have only one winner.
 
The race in scripture is a marathon.
 
While the Catholics and those that are eternally insecure want to quote Jesus when referring to the Tribulation and that 'He that endures to the end shall be saved.', the apostle Paul finishes with He that is saved will endure to the end.
 
Not because they need to become saved or maintain their salvation but because they are saved and that is what saved ones do.
 
While the Once saved Never sure people want to start with,
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Hebrews 6)
 
The apostle Paul finishes the thought with:
 
"9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister." (Hebrews 6:9)
 
When they want to scare us with, "38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." (Hebrews 10)
 
The apostle Paul assures us in the same passage with:
 
"39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." (Hebrews 10)
 
While they present a partial picture of "12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. " (Philippians 2:12)
 
The apostle to all also goes on with:
 
"13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)
 
"6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: " (Philippians 1:6)
 
What they present they claim to be the whole picture.
 
The Catholic Council of Trent claims that being saved by Grace through Faith is a protestant invention to be condemned and that Catholicism is the whole story, when they didn't even historically make it to the apostle to the Gentiles.
 
They have robbed and distorted Paul to pay their Peter, when the Peter of the Bible said this about Paul.
 
"15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2 Peter 3)
 
The Catholic Catechism says this:
 
"The Lord Himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude...God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, #1257)
 
If Baptism was required of all for salvation then why were the Gentiles filled with the Holy Spirit (sure sign of salvation) before they were baptized? (Acts 10:44-48)
 
Why did the apostle Paul thank God that he baptised no one except Crispus and Gaius? (1 Corinthians 1)
 
Why did the apostle Paul say only belief saves rather than belief and baptism? (Acts 16:31)
 
Why has the Catholic Church only presented one half of the story?
One reason is that the more insecure and dependent they can make their people the more control and money they have.
 
Another reason is that they want to replace Israel with their church. This results in their applying what was said to Israel, to them.
 
This means that when Peter told the house of Israel to 'repent and be baptized (works) in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, Catholics applied it to them.
 
Taking God At His Word
 
"Because of a failure to recognize the mystery, some have supposed it necessary to alter prophecy to account for the present condition of Israel and the presence of the predominantly Gentile church of this age.
 
Seeing that the fulfillment of prophecy apparently ceased shortly after the crucifixion of Christ, and realizing that there was still much left to be fulfilled, these have supposed that God could not have meant exactly what He said when He prophesied that Christ would sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem as King of Israel. They have supposed that these things must have been intended in a "spiritual" sense and so have concluded that Christ is now seated on "David's throne" at God's right hand, thus confusing earthly Jerusalem with "the Jerusalem which is above." They have further concluded that the church of today is "spiritual" Israel, that heaven is Canaan, etc. ...And here comes one of "Jehovah's Witnesses," claiming to belong to the 144,000. Ask what tribe he is from and he will explain that not physical, but "spiritual" Israelites are referred to in the prophecy of the 144,000! Yet we are distinctly told that there are to be 12,000 from each tribe, and the tribes are named!
 
Rome employs the same reasoning. She is seeking to establish the kingdom of Christ on earth! Because the Church of Rome is really a political system, with a state and a ruler on earth it may seem at first that she leans rather to a literal interpretation of prophecy, but this is not so, for the Church of Rome is not literal Israel, Rome is not Jerusalem, and Christ Himself is not reigning.
 
Those who have resorted to the "spiritualization" of the prophetic Scriptures because they cannot account for the seeming cessation in their fulfillment, will find the solution to their problem in the recognition of the mystery. Recognize the mystery and there will be no need to alter prophecy." (Things That Differ, Stam, chapter two )
 
 
Some Catholics have claimed to have come together doctrinally with Evangelicals in a document called:
 
'JOINT DECLARATION
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION
by the Lutheran World Federation
and the Catholic Church'
 
They have claimed to have solved the differences in what they believe about salvation/Justification.
 
"By justification we are both declared and made righteous. Justification, therefore, is not a legal fiction. God, in justifying, effects what he promises; he forgives sin and makes us truly righteous" (USA, no. 156,5)."
 
 
This is a clever way of just restating Catholic not biblical doctrine.
They are trying to re-form the reformation.
 
This still makes justification/salvation something down the road not what occurs at conversion.
 
Don't Let Catholicism fool you.
 
There is a stark contrast between Catholicism and the bible.
 
Bj Maxwell
01/15/2007
Copyright ©

 

5) Think it is wrong for the cults to make other religious works equal to the Bible, but your religion is the exception to the rule.
 
13) Your favorite comeback response to arguments against Catholic doctrines such as 'Transubstantiation' is, 'Well, it is and it isn't.'
 
22) Cannot say for sure whether you are saved but still think you can speak as an authority on what scripture really means. (John 17:3)
 
I Just Recently Had A Conversation With A Catholic That Confirmed These Points Once Again.
 
How Can One Tell Us How Things Are Spiritually But Not Be Able To Establish Their Own Spiritual Condition?
 
How Can One Say The Catholic Leadership is Authoritative But Each Catholics Personal Interpretation of Truth Isn't?
 
How Does One Come To The Conclusion That They Can Only Speak As An Authority On Insecurity and Fear?
 
Once One Accepts That Other Religious Works Work Alongside Scripture Or Even Surpass Scripture They Have Opened a Pandoras Box of An Unimaginable Twisting of Scripture.
 
"Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely
together and communicate one with the other. For both of them,
flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some
fashion to form one thing and move toward the same goal.' Each of
them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ,
who promised to remain with his own 'always, to the close of the
age." (Cathechism of the Catholic Church, pg 26, Libreria Editrice
Vaticana)
 
"The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God,
whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been
entrusted to the living, teaching office of the Church
alone. ...This means that the task of interpretation has been
entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter,
the Bishop of Rome." (Ibid, pg 27)

"It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of
God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magesterium of the
Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand
without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the
action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to
the salvation of souls. (Ibid, pg 29)

 
This Is What Groups Like Mormonism and Catholicism Have In Common.
 
They Both Modify And Water Down Scripture With Their Other Works.
 
For Example: The Mormons Accept Scripture As Long As It Fits Their Other Works.
 
So Their Phrase is 'As Far As Its Correctly Translated.'
 
"We Believe The Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." (The Articles of Faith #8)
 
Though Much Of What They Believe Is Not In the Bible Or The Book Of Mormon.
 
For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. After all we can do. (Book of Mormon- 2 Nephi 25:23)
 
This Doesn't Sound Like The Scripture Which Says:
 
"8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast." (Ephesians 2:8)
 
Well Guess What Book Loses If They Conflict?
 
So When They Teach 'As Man Is God Once Was, As God Is Man May Become.' This Is In Conflict With Scripture That Says, 'From Everlasting To Everlasting Thou Art God.' (Psalm 90:2)
 
So What Religious Quote Has To Yield To The Others.
 
The Bible Of Course.
 
Well What Happens When Catholic Doctrine Conflicts With The Bible?
The Perpetual Virginity of Mary
 
"499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man. In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it." And so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin"." (Catechism of the Catholic Church)
 
So When The Bible Says Jesus Had Brothers, It Must Have Really Meant Cousins because Brothers Would Mean That Mary Wasn't a Perpetual Virgin.
 
Though When I Read The Concordance Concerning The Use of The Word 'Brother' It Is:
 
'adelphos' , which means brother not cousin. We Get phileo-brotherly love from this and Philadelphia, city of brotherly shove, I mean Love from this.
 
The Word for cousin is a completely different greek word.
 
Elizabeth, the mother of John The Baptist Was A cousin of Mary. Different Word Used For This. (Luke 1:36)
 
The Word For Brother Only Meant Brother.
 
Imagine What It Would Sound Like If We translated the following Passage to Cousin.
 
The Catholic Tampered With Version:
 
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his Aunt and COUSINS stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, "Your AUNT and COUSINS are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." 48 He replied to him, "Who is my AUNT, and who are my COUSINS?" 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my AUNT and my COUSINS. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my COUSIN and COUSIN and AUNT."
 
The Correct Translation:
 
"While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." 48 He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother." (Matthew 12)
 
Or What About This One:
 
"There Is One Mediator Between God and Men, the Man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5)
 
Not Exactly Says The Catholics:
 
"This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix." (Catechism of the Catholic Church #969)
 
So For Them There Is No Conflict Because Jesus Is a Male Mediator While Mary A Female Mediator, which is a Mediatrix.
 
But Mediatrix Is An Invention Meant To Subvert Scripture.
When Scripture Spoke of Christ Being a Mediator, It Was Based On The Fact That He Was The God Man, Who Bridged the gap between Us And God, Not a mere man, not That He Was a Man as Opposed To A Woman.
 
When Groups That Promote Other Works Alongside The Bible They Must Fit A Round Peg In a Square Hole To Make It Work.
 
This Is What Scripture Says About Those That Create Distinctions That Don't Exist and Split Semantic Hairs All To Disobey Scripture.
 
"If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain." (1 Timothy 6)
 
"Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2)
 
As A Moderator I'm Responsible To Make Sure The Above Doesn't Happen.
 
Now One Could Say That This Has A Limited Application But This Looks To Me Like God Looks Very Dimly On Those That Argue For Arguments Sake, debating About Words All To Avoid the Plain Sense Of Scripture.
This Is How They Have Created A Maze So Confusing That They Cannot Even Explain Their Own Position If Their Life Depended On It.
 
They Are Ready To Condemn Other Religious Works As Long As We Don't Mention Their Religious Works.
 
"16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3)
If Scripture (Not Tradition) Makes Me 'thoroughly equipped for every good work' then nothing else is needed, Including Catholic Tradition And Catholicism Is An Unnecessary Religion.
 
Not So Say Catholics.
 
It Is And It Isn't They Say.
 
13) Your favorite comeback response to arguments against Catholic doctrines such as 'Transubstantiation' is, 'Well, it is and it isn't.'
 
Scripture Is And Isn't Sufficient They Say.
 
They Create A Distinction Between Formal And Material Sufficiency To Justify A Distinction.
 
"For Scripture to be materially sufficient, it would have to contain or imply all that is needed for salvation. For it to be formally sufficient, it would not only have to contain all of this data, but it would have to be so clear that it does not need any outside information to interpret it." James Akin,
 
 
So The Apostle Pauls Mistake Was In Not Telling Us Whether God Meant 'Material' Sufficiency or 'Formally' Sufficiency.
 
Gosh, Good Thing We Have The Catholic Leaders To Guide Us And To Clarify What God Was Incapable Of Communicating Through The Apostle Paul.
 
God Comes Along And Says It Is Finished, Catholics Come Along And Say, Finished Doesn't Mean Finished.
 
Salvation:
 
This is what the Catholic Council of Trent says:
 
"SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: "If
anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ's sake, or that it is this confidence alone that justifies us, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA" (Canons Concerning Justification, Canon 12)."
 
SIXTH SESSION, CANONS CONCERNING JUSTIFICATION: "If
anyone says that the justice received is not preserved
and also not increased before God through good works,
but that
those works are merely the fruits and signs
of justification obtained, but not the cause of its
increase, LET HIM BE ANATHEMA" (Canons Concerning
Justification, Canon 24).
 
So It is Worthy of An Anathema To Believe That One Is Saved And Works That Follow Are Evidence of That Salvation, though That Is What Scripture Says: (Ephesians 2:10; Hebrews 6:9)
 
This Is What The Cults Do.
 
They Cannot Even Answer For Sure Whether They Are Saved But Want You To Believe What They Or Their Leaders Are Saying In Other Areas.
 
This Is An Oxymoron For Oxymorons.
 
They Have Created Dividing Lines Between Common Terms All To Justify Their Maze of Deception.
 
I'm A Christian But I Don't Know It For Sure, And This Does Not Mean Saved.....I Won't Know I'm Saved Until The End. Then They Quote Matthew 24 which is speaking of the Tribulation Which Says, He That Endures Til The End Shall be Saved.
 
Of Course They Don't Read The Rest of Scripture Which Says that Those That Are Saved Will Endure Until the End. (Philippians 1:6; Hebrews 6:9; Hebrews 10:39)
 
I Had A Friend That Was Catholic And He Was The Most Confused And Wishy Washy Person I Have Ever Met.
 
The Only Thing They Are Sure of Is That They Are Unsure, And That You Should Be Unsure Too, Unless It Is A Pronouncement of The Pope or Magesterium Which All Of The Sudden Are To Be Infallibly And Clearly Understood By Every Catholic, Though When Speaking Of Scripture There Is No One That Can Interpret Scripture.
 
So Catholics Cannot Understand Scripture On Their Own, But They Can Understand Their Leaders.
 
In Other Words We Cannot Know What Scripture Means Unless The Leaders Tell Us And then We Should Understand The Interpreters Completely.
 
Paul said: "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!" (anathema) (Galatians 1:8,9)
He repeats himself here and pronounces an anathema on anyone (including angels), who would preach any other gospel than the one 'we' preached.
He is 'astonished' that so many people are falling for or excusing the 'other gospel.'
 
Also read 2 Corinthians Eleven
 
So Catholicism and anyone who falls for it has God's anathema/eternal curse pronounced on them By The Religious Hierarchy of the Catholic church.
 
And the apostle Pauls words hold more weight than any Modern day Jewish Wannabes does.
 
It is the Catholic church that has drawn a line in the sand between them and the apostle Paul.
 
I say this because the problem is that the Catholic Church has lead the way in 'Replacement Theology', which i define at:
 
 
The Facts Are That The Catholic Church Is An Unnecessary Religion That Is Frantically Trying To Establish That God Is A Poor Communicator, To Introduce The Magesterium, That Scripture Is Not Sufficient In Order To Introduce Catholic Tradition, That Jesus Is Impotent, To Introduce The Catholic Mary, That The Sacrifice Of Christ Is Insufficient To Introduce The Mass and Purgatory, That Salvation Is Incomplete To Introduce Their Endless List of Works And they Must Twist Scripture To Prove it.
 
The Fact is That They Are Sadly And Eternally Wrong.
 
They Will Answer For This Dearly.
 
Bj Maxwell
02/12/2007
Copyright ©

 

The following is the extrabiblical nonsense that the Catholic Church
depends on for their version of the truth.

It can be shown that groups like the JW's, Mormons, Christian
Scientists etc have more in common with Catholics than Bible
believers.

"Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely
together and communicate one with the other. For both of them,
flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some
fashion to form one thing and move toward the same goal.' Each of
them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ,
who promised to remain with his own 'always, to the close of the
age." (Cathechism of the Catholic Church, pg 26, Libreria Editrice
Vaticana)

See how they use part of a biblical verse, but then pile a bunch of
extrabiblical nonsense on top of it to make their beliefs more
appealing?

The Mormons do the same thing.

"The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God,
whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been
entrusted to the living, teaching office of the Church
alone. ...This means that the task of interpretation has been
entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter,
the Bishop of Rome." (Ibid, pg 27)


"It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of
God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the Magesterium of the
Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand
without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the
action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to
the salvation of souls. (Ibid, pg 29)

"But since Sacred Scripture is inspired, there is another and no
less important principle of correct interpretation...'Sacred
Scripture must be read and interpreted in the light of the same
spirit by whom it was written."

1. "Be especially attentive 'to the content and unity of the whole
scripture...

2. Read the scripture within 'the living Tradition of the whole
church." (Ibid, pg 32)...


Their traditions have contradicted the Word of God and if fact makes
it very difficult to communicate to them. As if in a cult, unless
you demonstrate to them that the Bible stands alone as our source of
truth you are wasting your time.

They believe in the virgin birth of Christ, but need to come up with
the Immaculate Conception of Mary (not Jesus)to explain how Christ
could be born of Mary but without sin.

They have an elaborate system that one has to get through before
they are acceptable to Christ: Purgatory...

They accomplish this by taking half an idea from the bible then
making a transition to their tradition to come up with the other
half. This is bait and switch at its worst. If they had only stayed
with the Bible they could have gotten the whole truth, nothing but
the truth....God help us!!

"And the Pharisees and the scribes ask him, Why walk not thy
disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat their
bread with defiled hands? 6 And he said unto them, Well did Isaiah
prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoreth
me with their lips, But their heart is far from me. 7 But in vain do
they worship me, Teaching [as their] doctrines the precepts of men.
8 Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of
men." (Mark 7)

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