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Christian Messianic Prophecies  By 'Rabbi' Asher Meza 

Don't Forget To Read My Problems With/Questions Of 'Rabbi' Ashers First Treatment Of This First Prediction Of Foul Play. 

And My Questions Here

We're Thinking ....

Mr. Asher, Has The Words 'Oye' On His Video. When I Say 'Oye' Its When I Touch Something Hot.

Don't Know What The Oye Is About, Except Oye , Mr. Asher Is Into Something Quite Hot Here.

Mr. Asher Argues In Pt. 2 Against The Predictive Nature Of Genesis 3:15b And Foul Play Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSUb0TRCc_M&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcGNpCTzjPc&feature=related

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.' {S}

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0103.htm

Asher Says,

"Gen 3:15 He Will Bruise Satan's Head Heb 2:14, 1 John 3:18" That Christians Claim That These NT References Are A Fulfillment Of Genesis 3:15

Asher Alleges That That Christians Claims Regarding 'The Seed Of The Woman Gets Debunked In Pt. 1.

Here

The Only Debunking That I Could See There Is When I Ask My Last Question Of Those Suspects Who Are Guilty Of Criminal Acts.  

The NT References Mr. Asher Provides Do Show That Mr. Son Of God's Murder Will Render Mr. Lucifer Powerless Against Believers. Asher Then Argues That Satan Is Alive And Well (And Possibly Heading Up Their Group Of Rabbis). However, Unless Mr. Asher Wants To Argue The 'Devil Made Them Do It' This Choice Was Made Of Their Own Volition.

 Christians Claim 'Greater Is He That Is In Them, Than He That Is In The World' (1 John 4:4), Because God Is Greater.

The Key Appears To Have God Inside. Still, Mr. Satan Has Been Bruised But No Evidence Of Being Crushed, Else We Need To Ask These Pharisees Where All This Resistance To The Obvious Is Coming From.

Maybe Asher Needs More Time To Read The Rrrreest Of The Chapter And Story Which Explains Who Has The Power Over Mr. Satan Now.

Mr. Asher May Be Trying To Show That There Isn't A Verse Invented That He Cannot Take Out Of Context.  That's Brilliant, Why Didn't I Think Of That. Well, That Explains It.

Arguing For A Functioning Devil (A Partner In Crime)Today Might Work Against Preterists That Believe That Mr. Satan Was Fully Dealt With In A.D. 70, But I Doubt It Will Work Against Real Christians Who Know Who These Jewish Counter Missionaries Ally Is. 

Mr. Asher Then Quotes 1 John 3:8 Which Says:

"8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

Now, Unless John The Writer Here Has A Short Attention Span We Should Pay Close Attention To This Statement In The Same Record Which Says:

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:8-10)

So In Chapter Three, John Appears To Be Speaking Of The Practice Of Sin, Giving Satan Himself As An Example, 'For The Devil Sinneth From The Beginning.'i.e. Practices Sin.

Mr. Asher Arguing For A Fully Functioning And Uncrushed Devil Brings Up How Satan Is Still Powerful When He Obstructs Paul:

"Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us." (1 Thessalonians 2:18)

What Asher Doesn't Want To Recognize Is That This Bruised Satan Has Power Over Those That Reject The Payment Of Said Mr. Christ Only, In Other Words People Like Him. God Gives Power To Those Who Have Received His Payment For Their Crimes In Full. (Hebrews 10:12)The Context That Asher Fails To See Refers To His Own Cronies Being The Obstruction To Paul Here:

"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost." (1 Thess 2)

The Satan (Adversary) Here Is The Jews. The Greek Word Satan Simply Means Adversary.

This Is Confirmed When The Victim Tells Them Who Their Daddy Is:

"But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41 "You are doing the deeds of your father." They said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God." (John 8)

So Even The Victim Predicted Their Murderous Ways And Their Partner In Crime Before The Incident. He Was Also Aware Of Their Previous Homicides Of The Past. (1 Kings 19:10ff; Matt. 23:27-37)

So Proving Their Partner In Crime Is Still Functioning Doesn't Get Them Off The Hook. Isn't This Like The Jews Saying, 22) Yeshua Fulfilling More Than Three Hundred Predictions Just Doesn't Cut It And That 'The Anointed One Being Cut Off" (Daniel 9:25-27), "Whom You Have Pierced." (Zechariah 12:10), And That Was "Crushed For Our Iniquities." (Isaiah 53), Is No Excuse For Yeshua Not Doing Better.

Truth Appears To Be That It Was The Jews That Did The Piercing, Cutting Off And Crushing Of Yeshua.  This Is A Crime Unprecedented In The Annals Of History And Of Biblical Proportions.

Are The Jewish Counter Missionaries Saying,  It's Those Pesky Gentiles You Gave Us Or The Devil That Made Us Do It?

What Do You Think Friday?

Scripture Says That This Bruised Lion Is, 'Seeking Whom He Will Devour' (1 Peter 5:8) To Christians He Appears To Be Bruised And Toothless.

Truth Is I Was Quite Scared Of That Lion Until Dorothy Slapped Him.

To Those That Reject The One That Paid For Their Crimes, The Satan Is Very Powerful. A Bruised Being Can Still Cause A Lot Of Damage For Those That Haven't Believed That:

"he (Messiah) was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." (Isaiah 53)

Even Angels Don't Rebuke Mr. Satan On Their Own Authority.

"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." (Jude 9)

"He came unto his own, and his own (Jews) received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power (authority-exousia) to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.." (John 1)

Then Mr. Asher Presents A Strawman Argument That This Crushing Will Be Fulfilled At Messiah's Second Coming, And Says This Prophecy Shouldn't Be Counted Already As Fulfilled Prophecy If So.

The Bruised Head Of Satan Has Already Come To Pass As I Will Clearly Show Below.

Mr. Asher Meza Wrongly Concludes That Genesis 3:15:

a. Is Not A Prophecy

e. Is Not Prophecy And Was Not Fulfilled!

f. Argument Not Consistent Biblically!

Still, I See Some Unanswered Questions That Are Bugging Me And Making Me Scratch My Head.

Asher Claims That 'Many Converts To Judaism' Will Result From His Video. This Is Why Christians Need To Be Able To Ask The Right Questions.

It's Interesting How The Greek English Septuagint Translates Genesis 3:15b....

'He Will Give Heed To Your Head And You Will Give Heed To His Heel.' (Septuagint)

http://www.apostolicbible.com/text.htm

And

"He Shall Watch Against Thy Head And Thou Shalt Watch Against His Heel."

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/brenton/lxx/Page_4.html

I'm Not Exactly Sure What Giving Heed to His Head Or His Heel Means Unless It Is Similar To The Time My Nose Gave Heed To That Suspects Fist. Giving Heed Doesn't Feel Good At All.

The Hebrew Masoretic Translation Says:

טו וְאֵיבָה אָשִׁית, בֵּינְךָ וּבֵין הָאִשָּׁה, וּבֵין זַרְעֲךָ, וּבֵין זַרְעָהּ: הוּא יְשׁוּפְךָ רֹאשׁ, וְאַתָּה תְּשׁוּפֶנּוּ עָקֵב. {ס} 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.' {S}

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0103.htm

Sometimes In Transmission The Hebrew Gets Garbled, So If This Happens You Can Go To The Link Below It For The Hebrew.

So In These Translations There Is Nothing About A Fatal Crushing The Head Of Satan. But There Is Some Deep Bruising Going On.

What Does The NT Greek (Fulfillments?) Actually Say In Reference To These Verses?

"20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen." (Romans 16:20)

Notice, There Is No Obvious Crushing Going On In This Verse, Only Bruising Which Still Allows One To Go On And It Appears That Here The Believers Will Soon Be Doing The Bruising.

Maybe I Missed A Verse But I Cannot Find Any Reference To Jesus Crushing Satans Head, But Certainly JC And The Believers Via JC Have Bruised Satan's Head.

Messiah Was Certainly Bruised/Crushed Because Of Our Sins:

ה וְהוּא מְחֹלָל מִפְּשָׁעֵנוּ, מְדֻכָּא מֵעֲו‍ֹנֹתֵינוּ; מוּסַר שְׁלוֹמֵנוּ עָלָיו, וּבַחֲבֻרָתוֹ נִרְפָּא-לָנוּ. 5 But he was wounded because of our transgressions, he was crushed because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his stripes we were healed. ו כֻּלָּנוּ כַּצֹּאן תָּעִינוּ, אִישׁ לְדַרְכּוֹ פָּנִינוּ; וַיהוָה הִפְגִּיעַ בּוֹ, אֵת עֲו‍ֹן כֻּלָּנוּ. 6 All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:5)

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1053.htm

Christians Are Wrong In Referring To A 'Crushing' In Commentaries. Fact Is, None Of The OT Translations I Looked At Says 'Crushed' Either. But It Is True That Messiah Was Bruised/Crushed For Our Crimes Against God And It Is True That Satan Was Bruised (One Day Will Be Crushed) By Messiah And His Followers. It Is Also True The The Devil/Satan Will One Day Be Thrown Into The Slam Then Lake Of Fire. (Revelation)

I Believe The Key Here May Be When The Bruising/Crushing Occurs And By Whom. Possibly When We See The Connection Between Genesis 3:15b And Isaiah 53:10, 11 And Couple That With Colossians Two.

In The O.T. References Notice The Connection Between 'Her Seed' Of Genesis Three With 'His Seed' -Zerah (Believers) And 'Prolonging Of His Days' (Resurrection) Of Isaiah Fifty Three; The Crushing Of Messiah in Isaiah And The Crushing/Bruising In Genesis; Her Seed (Genesis), His Seed (Isaiah 53:10) In Contrast To The 'Evil Seed' (Israel And Counter Missionaries)

"10 Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days, and that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand: 11 Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to the many, and their iniquities he did bear." (Isaiah 53; Jewish Publication Society)

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1053.htm

Could It Be That God Was Well Aware Of What Was Going On?

Appears That God Meant It For Different Reasons Than These Jewish Counter Missionaries.

Good Friday Just Smiles Real Big.

"18. If you will appoint his soul a sin offering he will see his seed and he will lengthen his days and the pleasure of YHWH {&yod?&]
19. in his hand will advance. (11) Of the toil of his soul he shall see {+light+} and he shall be satisfied and by his knowledge shall he make righteous

20. even my righteous servant for many and their iniquities he will bear. (12) Therefore I will apportion to him among the great ones
21. and with the mighty ones he shall divide the spoil because he laid bare to death his soul and with the transgressors." (Isaiah 53; Dead Sea Scrolls)

 

http://moellerhaus.com/qum-44.htm

http://moellerhaus.com/qa-tran.htm

 

'By The Mouth Of Two Or Three Witnesses A Word Shall Be Established.' (Bible)

 

Bolding And Underlining Mine.

 

Notice That The Righteous One And His Seed Are Not Israel. Jewish Counter Missionaries Like To Argue That The Righteous One Of Isaiah Fifty Three Is Israel. This Is What It Says Of Israel At The Beginning Of The Same Book Of Isaiah In The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Septuagint, and The Masoretic Text.

 

"Israel does not know and my people do not consider. (4) Woe sinning nation!

5. a people burdened with faults, a seed (Zerah) of evil ones, perverted sons, they have abandoned YHWH, they have spurned
6. the Holy One of Israel, they are estranged backward. (5) Why are you yet being struck, you add rebellion, the whole head is sick
7. every heart is faint. (6) From the sole of the foot even to the head, there is no soundness in it but wounds and bruises and new sores....21. Please come and let us reason together says YHWH, if your sins are like scarlet they shall be white as snow
22. if they be as red as crimson they shall be as wool. (19) If you are obedient and you give heed then of the good of the Land [{you shall eat.}] (Isaiah 1; Dead Sea Scrolls)

 

http://moellerhaus.com/qa-tran.htm#c1

 

4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evil-doers, children that deal corruptly; they have forsaken the LORD, they have contemned the Holy One of Israel, they are turned away backward."

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1001.htm

 

"Woe [nation O Sinful], People Full Of Sins [Seed An Evil], [Sons Lawless]. You Abandoned The Lord, And Provoked To Anger The Holy One Of Israel..." (Septuagint)

 

So It Is Inescapable, Israel Is Not The Righteous Servant Of Isaiah 53. In Fact They Are The Serpents Evil Seed Of Genesis Three. Seed Being Figurative Not Biological.

 

So Seeing The Connection Between Genesis Three And Isaiah 53 Tells Us That The Bruising/Crushing (Gen. 3; Isaiah 53)/Cutting Off (Daniel 9) Of Messiah Happened At His Murder, The Bruising/Crushing Of Satan Came At Jesus' Death (For Our Restitution-Is. 53:5,6) And Resurrection i.e. The 'Prolonging Of His Days', And When 'his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, prolong his days.' (Isaiah 53)

I Question A 'Rabbi' Tovia Singer (Another Concealer Of Evidence) Regarding Jesus' Prolonging Of His Days Here.

 

 

So The Bruising Occurs At the Death, Burial And Resurrection Of Christ And In His Spiritual Seed (Believers)

 

Finally, "When you were dead in your sins (Crimes Against God And man) and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities,

he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come;

the reality, however, is found in Christ." (Colossians 2:13ff)

 

These Verses Tell Us That Jesus' Death Has Nailed the Rules That Were Against Us, To His Cross And This Is How Christ Triumphed.

 

Though Not The Final Word, A.D. 70 And The Destruction Of The Temple Signalled That The Crucifixion Of Christ Was The Answer To Our Sins Not Going To The Temple Over And Over. (Hebrews 7-10) Jewish Counter Missionaries Still Cannot Adequately Explain How They Deal With Their Sins Without A Temple And A Sacrifice.

I Will Answer The Rest Of His Attempts At A Coverup From His Video, Later.

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." (Matthew 23; 1 Kings 19:10ff)

 

So The Only Real Conclusion Is That Regarding Genesis 3:15:

Is A Prophecy And Was Fulfilled! In Bruising Satan's Head, The Crushing Will Come Later.

 

The Argument Is Consistent Biblically!

 

 

 

I Know It Appears I've Gotten Older Since The Beginning Of This Investigation, And It Is Ongoing. Stay Tuned For My Future Investigations Of The Jewish Counter Missionaries.

 

 

Bj Maxwell

07/26/2010

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He Will Stomp You

From "We Will Rock You"   

New Lyrics By Bj Maxwell

 

Feel Free To Post Unaltered Anywhere.

 

About Jesus' Death, Resurrection, And Ascension And Ongoing Stomping Of His Enemies, As Prophesied In Scripture And Fulfilled In His Story And History.

Ready To Karaoke?

Hold Down Shift Key, Click Here, Click Play, Minimize, Then Sing New Lyrics Below.

Start Right On The Ninth Double Stomp (i.e., Boom, Boom)

Crucifixion:

Jesus, You Annoyed All The Big Boys

Quoting Prophecy, Sittin Next To God Some Day

 

 Then Blood On Yo Face

You've Been Disgraced

 

They Beat God's Man All Over The Place

(Ps. 22:1-19; Is. 53; Zech. 12:10ff)

'Singin'

We Will, We Will Mock You

(Psalm 22)

Will Kill, Seal With Rock You

 

Resurrection, Ascension, A.D. 70:

Jesus,You Arose To God's Right Hand

Psalm 2 And 110, Genny Three Fifteen

(Ps. 2 And 110)

Fulfilled Prophecy

Then Bruised Your Feet

 

Crushing Big Heads, Se-ven-ty A.D.

(Gen. 3:15; Isaiah 1:4; Galatians 3:16,17)

Christ Said, He Will Stomp You

 (Ps. 110; Acts 13:33-39; Hebrews 1:8-14)

Paul Said, We Will Stomp You

(Romans 16:20)

Future:

Zechariah Twelve; Psalm 16 Say

(Ps. 16:10; Zech. 12:10-14)

Reaching Out Your Hands, From The Grave Seeing No Decay

 

You Got Love On Your Face

Amazing Grace

Better Be Wise, In Christ Put Your Faith OR

He Will, Will Still Stomp You

(Hebrews 10:11-13)

(Unbelievers)

'We Will' Will Still Stomp You

(That's Right!!)

New Lyrics By Bj Maxwell

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04/01/2014;

 

04/05/2014

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between YOUR SEED AND HER SEED; He shall BRUISE ON THE HEAD, And you shall BRUISE HIM ON THE HEEL." (Genesis 3:15)

　

"Why are the nations in an uproar And the peoples devising a vain thing ? 2 The kings of the earth take their stand And the rulers take counsel together Against the LORD and against HIS ANOINTED, saying, 3 "Let us tear their fetters apart And cast away their cords from us!" 4 He who sits in the heavens laughs, The Lord scoffs at them. 5 Then He will speak to them in His anger And terrify them in His fury, saying, 6 "But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain." 7 "I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD : He said to Me, 'YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU....12 DO HOMAGE TO THE SON, that He not become angry, and YOU PERISH IN THE WAY, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!" (Psalm 2)

　

"For You WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO SHEOL; NOR will You allow Your Holy One to UNDERGO DECAY. 11 You will make known to me the path of life ; In Your presence is fullness of joy ; In Your right hand there are pleasures forever." (Psalm 16:10)

　

"The LORD SAYS TO MY LORD: "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET." ....4 The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK" 5 The Lord is at Your right hand ; HE WILL SHATTER KINGS IN THE DAY OF HIS WRATH. 6 He will judge among the nations, He will fill them with corpses, He will shatter the chief men over a broad country. 7 He will drink from the brook by the wayside ; Therefore He will lift up His head." (Psalm 110)

　

"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that THEY WILL LOOK ON ME WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED; and they will mourn for Him, as one  mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn." (Zechariah 12:10-14)

"Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins ; 12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13 waiting from THAT TIME ONWARD UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET." (Hebrews 10:11-13)