The Second Is What One Would Call A Straw Man Argument.
Making Gullibles Who Haven't Gone
Beyond Letting Their 'Rabbi' Tell Them What Scripture Says And How One Should Interpret It, Think That All Messianic Prophecies
Are Single Verses At Odds With Their Context.
Also Showing That Moshe Doesn't
Know The Difference Between Prefillment And Fulfillment.
Certainly Most Of Psalm Two, Twenty
Two, Isaiah 53 Are Messianic Prophecies That Jesus Fulfilled That Take Up Most Of The Chapter. So This Tells You That Moshe
Is Not Interested In Communicating The Truth, Only Pulling The Wool Over Our Eyes.
More Later
Bj
Now My Responses To A Blasater:
Bj wrote: “Where in Tanakh does scripture contradict these christian teaching?”
Blasater Responds:
Bj– all over the place! Here are a few:
A) Where in Tanakh does it say that messiah will end
the law?
Nowhere: Psalm 111:7 The works of his hands are verity and
judgment; all his commandments are sure.
8 They stand fast forever
and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
9 He sent redemption
unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
Bj:
Then You Need To Splain This:
"The time is coming,"
declares the LORD, "when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL and with the house of Judah. 32 IT WILL NOT BE
LIKE THE COVENANT I MADE WITH THEIR FOREFATHERS when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke
my covenant, though I was a husband to them, " declares the LORD. 33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God,
and they will be my people." (Jeremiah 31)
Blasater:
Mal 4:4 “Remember
the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.
Bj:
Answer: A New Covenant Is Coming, So Says
Jeremiah
Blasater:
B ) Where in Tanakh does it say that messiah will be granted the ability to forgive sin?
Nowhere: Only One who forgives, One Savior, Isaiah 43:“I, even I, am the Lord, And there is no
savior besides Me.”
Bj:
Jesus Is The One God, So He Is The Saviour.
"10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant
whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I AM HE. Before me no god was formed, nor will
there be one after me. " (Isaiah 43)
"24 I (Jesus) said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM
HE, ye shall die in your sins. " (John 8)
And
"12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called ;(1) I AM HE; I am the first, I also
am the last....16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it
was, there am (1) I: and now the
2) Lord GOD, and his 3) Spirit,
hath sent me." (Isaiah 48:12,16)-Trinity
One God Three Persons.
Blasater:
C) Where in Tanakh does
it say that messiah will fulfill the law on our behalf?
Nowhere, in
fact we are show still doing the law in the messianic era: And I will take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give
them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances and do them. Then they will be My people,
and I shall be their God.
Bj:
Actually Israel Is Not Doing The Law Until Then. God Restores And Regathers Them When They Are Disobeying Him. (Ezekiel
36)
"32
IT WILL NOT BE LIKE THE COVENANT I MADE WITH THEIR FOREFATHERS when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because
they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, " declares the LORD." (Jeremiah 31)
So What Would Be The Purpose Of Giving
Israel The Same Kind Of Laws That They Broke Earlier?
Blasater Says:
D) Where in TORAH does G-d reveal to Moses that messiah will be a god-man hybrid?
Nowhere: In fact G-ds revelation of His nature was closed at Sinai. 35 To you it was
shown that you might know that the Lord, He is God; there is no other besides Him.
Bj:
(Isaiah 9:6; 45:6,7)
There Was Something That Happened Before
Sinai, Before The Law And Before Israel Existed And That Was The Revelation Of The Theophanies Of God. (Genesis 14,15,18,32)
I've Demonstrated All This Before.
Moses Was Called A Saviour. The Point Is That There Is No Saviour APART From God.
Jesus Taught A Way That
Supercedes And Goes Beyond The Law Not Breaks It.
"31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish
law." (Romans 3)
But This Way Focuses On The One Who Kept It Completely
Not On The Individual Laws. You, Israel Have And Continue To Disobey The Laws, As Shown Above.
Blasater Asks:
E) Where in Tanakh does it say that a dying
and resurrecting personage is enough to crown him King Messiah?
Nowhere: All messianic tasks must be completed or else the candidate is to be rejected.
In Jesus’ case he failed Dt 13 and 18.
Bj:
In Israel's Case They Did Not Wait To See If He Would Fulfill All The Prophecies,
They Killed Him Then Said, See He Didn't Fulfill All The Prophecies, So Therefore He Isn't Messiah.
22) Think That Yeshua Fulfilling
More Than Three Hundred Prophecies Just Doesn't Cut It And That 'The Anointed One Being Cut Off" (Daniel 9:25-27), "Whom You
Have Pierced." (Zechariah 12:10), And That Was "Crushed For Our Iniquities." (Isaiah 53), Is No Excuse For Yeshua Not Doing
Better.
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ChristianityUnderFire/conversations/topics/4508
Yeshua, Fulfilled Messianic
Prophecies In Being Murdered:
"26 And after the threescore and two weeks shall an anointed one be cut off, ...' {P}" (Daniel 9)
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et3409.htm
י וַיהוָה
חָפֵץ דַּכְּאוֹ, הֶחֱלִי--אִם-תָּשִׂים
אָשָׁם נַפְשׁוֹ, יִרְאֶה
זֶרַע יַאֲרִיךְ יָמִים;
וְחֵפֶץ יְהוָה, בְּיָדוֹ
יִצְלָח. 10 Yet it pleased
the LORD to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, PROLONG
HIS DAYS (RESURRECTION), and that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand:
יא מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ,
יִרְאֶה יִשְׂבָּע--בְּדַעְתּוֹ
יַצְדִּיק צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי,
לָרַבִּים; וַעֲוֹנֹתָם,
הוּא יִסְבֹּל. 11
Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to
the many, and THEIR INIQUITIES HE DID BEAR.
יב לָכֵן
אֲחַלֶּק-לוֹ בָרַבִּים,
וְאֶת-עֲצוּמִים יְחַלֵּק
שָׁלָל, תַּחַת אֲשֶׁר
הֶעֱרָה לַמָּוֶת נַפְשׁוֹ,
וְאֶת-פֹּשְׁעִים נִמְנָה;
וְהוּא חֵטְא-רַבִּים
נָשָׂא, וְלַפֹּשְׁעִים
יַפְגִּיעַ. {פ} 12
Therefore will I divide him a PORTION AMONG THE GREAT, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; BECAUSE HE BARED HIS
SOUL UNTO DEATH, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
{P} (Isaiah 53)
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1053.htm
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; NEITHER WILL YOU suffer thine HOLY ONE to
SEE CORRUPTION. 11 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures
for evermore. (Psalm 16)
Deuteronomy Thirteen And Eighteen Don't Show Jesus Failed.
Blasater Asks:
F) Where in Tanakh does it say that the Jews will learn
from the Gentile’s because they have truth?
Nowhere: Just the
opposite, Jer 16:19 O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come
unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there
is no profit….
21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause
them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The Lord……..(Not
Jesus)
Answer:
You're Getting Your Time
Periods Mixed Up.
"23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy ; and I will
SAY TO THEM WHICH WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, THOU ART MY PEOPLE; and they shall say , Thou art my God." (Hosea 2)
Also Read Zechariah Three:
Joshua In Hebrew Is Insous In The Greek Septuagint And The NT, and Jesus In the English.
Blasater Asks:
G) Where in Tanakh does it say that you
must believe in someone to have atonement for sin?
Nowhere: Micah6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
But to
do justice, to love kindness,
And to walk humbly with your God
……G-d alone
Answer:
Jesus Is God.
"But WE ARE ALL AS AN UNCLEAN
THING, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ARE AS FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have
taken us away . 7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast
hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. 8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the
clay, and thou our potter ; and we all are the work of thy hand." (Isaiah 64)
"5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said , Look
now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed (Collective
Singular) be. 6 And HE BELIEVED IN THE LORD, AND HE COUNTED IT TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS. " (Genesis 15)
"6 Consider Abraham: "HE BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."
7 Understand, then, that THOSE WHO BELIEVE ARE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM. 8 The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles
by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you"..... 16 The PROMISES were
spoken to ABRAHAM AND TO HIS SEED. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your SEED,"
MEANING ONE PERSON, WHO IS CHRIST. 17 What I mean is this: THE LAW, introduced 430 YEARS LATER, DOES NOT SET ASIDE the covenant
previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no
longer depends on a promise; but GOD IN HIS GRACE GAVE IT TO ABRAHAM THROUGH A PROMISE. 19 What, then, was the purpose of
the law? It was added because of transgressions UNTIL THE SEED to whom the promise referred had come." (Galatians 3)
Here's The Promise Which
Refers To Seed, Singular i.e. Christ:
יז כִּי-בָרֵךְ
אֲבָרֶכְךָ, וְהַרְבָּה
אַרְבֶּה אֶת-זַרְעֲךָ
כְּכוֹכְבֵי הַשָּׁמַיִם,
וְכַחוֹל, אֲשֶׁר עַל-שְׂפַת
הַיָּם; וְיִרַשׁ זַרְעֲךָ,
אֵת שַׁעַר אֹיְבָיו. 17 that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply
thy SEED (Plural) as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and thy SEED (SINGULAR) shall possess
the gate of HIS enemies;
יח וְהִתְבָּרְכוּ
בְזַרְעֲךָ, כֹּל גּוֹיֵי
הָאָרֶץ, עֵקֶב, אֲשֶׁר
שָׁמַעְתָּ בְּקֹלִי. 18 and in thy SEED (COLLECTIVE SINGULAR) shall all the nations of the
earth be blessed; because thou hast hearkened to My voice.'
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0122.htm
י וַיהוָה חָפֵץ
דַּכְּאוֹ, הֶחֱלִי--אִם-תָּשִׂים
אָשָׁם נַפְשׁוֹ, יִרְאֶה
זֶרַע יַאֲרִיךְ יָמִים;
וְחֵפֶץ יְהוָה, בְּיָדוֹ
יִצְלָח. 10 Yet it pleased
the LORD to crush him by disease; to see if his soul would offer itself in restitution, that he might see his seed, PROLONG
HIS DAYS (RESURRECTION), and that the purpose of the LORD might prosper by his hand:
יא מֵעֲמַל נַפְשׁוֹ,
יִרְאֶה יִשְׂבָּע--בְּדַעְתּוֹ
יַצְדִּיק צַדִּיק עַבְדִּי,
לָרַבִּים; וַעֲוֹנֹתָם,
הוּא יִסְבֹּל. 11
Of the travail of his soul he shall see to the full, even My servant, who by his knowledge did justify the Righteous One to
the many, and THEIR INIQUITIES HE DID BEAR.
יב לָכֵן
אֲחַלֶּק-לוֹ בָרַבִּים,
וְאֶת-עֲצוּמִים יְחַלֵּק
שָׁלָל, תַּחַת אֲשֶׁר
הֶעֱרָה לַמָּוֶת נַפְשׁוֹ,
וְאֶת-פֹּשְׁעִים נִמְנָה;
וְהוּא חֵטְא-רַבִּים
נָשָׂא, וְלַפֹּשְׁעִים
יַפְגִּיעַ. {פ} 12
Therefore will I divide him a PORTION AMONG THE GREAT, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; BECAUSE HE BARED HIS
SOUL UNTO DEATH, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
{P} (Isaiah 53)
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1053.htm
Blasater:
H) Where in Tanakh does it say that messiah will be a “gate” to G-d?
Nowhere: Isaiah 43:“I, even I, am the Lord, And there is no savior besides Me.”
Answer:
"4 And Jehoahaz besought
the LORD, and the LORD hearkened unto him: for he saw the oppression of Israel, because the king of Syria oppressed them.
5 (And the LORD gave Israel a SAVIOUR, so that they went out from under the hand of the Syrians: and the children of Israel
dwelt in their tents, as beforetime." (2 Kings 13:5)
"7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have
I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth
for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 10
Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed , ye judges of the earth. 11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry , and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they
that put their trust in him." (Psalm 2)
Blasater:
I ) Where in Tanakh is there a a single verse that says when Elijah returns, he will be persecuted and
murdered?
Nowhere: Mal 4:5 “Behold, I am going to send you Elijah
the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. 6 He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their
children and the hearts of the children to their fathers,……this of course was not done by John the Baptist.
Answer:
Where In The NT Does It
Say Elijah Will Be Persecuted And Murdered....Nowhere.
Blasater:
J) Where in Tanakh does
it say that after messiah is killed, we are to pretend to eat his body and drink his blood?
Nowhere: Lev 1710 ‘And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them,
who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
46 This is the law regarding the animal and the bird, and every living thing that moves
in the waters and everything that swarms on the earth, 47 to make a distinction between the unclean and the clean, and between
the edible creature and the creature which is not to be eaten.
……………..So
why pretend to eat unclean food?
Answer:
Where In The NT Does It Say We Are Eating His Blood?
"63 It is the spirit that quickeneth ; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit,
and they are life." (John 6)
"this do in remembrance of me." (1 Cor. 11)
"18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth BREAD AND WINE: and he was the priest
of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said , Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth"
(Genesis 14)
Blasater:
K) Where in Tanakh does it say that “whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven”?
Nowhere: Totally foreign
concept to Jewish doctrine more akin to witchcraft. “and he practiced witchcraft, used divination, practiced sorcery
and dealt with mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger.
Bj:
You Provide No Scripture Proving What You Say.
Blasater:
L) Where in Tanakh does it say that there will be a change in the Priesthood that requires a change in the Law?
Nowhere: the Levitical priesthood
is returning: Ezek 4410 But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their
idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. 11 Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the
gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people,
and they shall stand before them to minister to them. …23 Moreover, they shall teach My people the difference between
the holy and the profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. 24 In a dispute they shall take their
stand to judge; they shall judge it according to My ordinances. They shall also keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed
feasts and sanctify My sabbaths. 2
Answer:
Where In The Tanakh Does It Say That The Levitical Priesthood Is Superior To Or Replaces The Melchidekian
Priesthood Of Genesis?
"18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And
he blessed him, and said , Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth" (Genesis 14)
This Priesthood Was Before The Levitical And Superior To It. Mel Was Greater Than Abraham,
From Which The Levitical Priesthood Came.
" 4 The LORD hath sworn
, and will not repent , Thou art a PRIEST FOR EVER AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHISIDEK. 5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike
through kings in the day of his wrath." (Psalm 110)
'For Ever' Is A Long Time.
Blasater:
M) Where in Tanakh does it say that G-d will share His
glory with messiah?
Nowhere: Isaiah 48…And My glory I will not give to another.
Messiah Jesus Is Not Another:
Answer:
" 6 Thy throne, O God, is
for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore
GOD, THY GOD HATH ANOINTED THEE with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes,
and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad . " (Psalm 45:6,7)
Blasater:
N) Why does G-d tell us in Dt 30 that we can do the law, the law is forever and then 1500 years later,
through Paul, tell us we cant do the law? G-d withholds Jesus from us for 1500 years letting us flounder in hopelessness?
Where Exactly Does Deut
30 Say That We Can Do The Law And How?
"But WE ARE ALL AS AN UNCLEAN THING, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ARE AS FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade
as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away . 7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth
up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. 8 But
now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter ; and we all are the work of thy hand." (Isaiah 64)
"2 The LORD looked down
from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand , and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside
, they are all together become filthy : there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Psalm 14)
Blasater Alleges:
This is the false narrative of the church.
Making G-ds word untrustworthy and deceitful.
Answer:
Not So, As The Tanakh Makes
Clear.
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